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Ralph, why are you up as early as we are on the east coast? It's Saturday.

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Oh, where are my manners?
Good morning Dave and Ralph !!

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Hell, I've been up for a couple of hours. I've done my walk, made my wife a latte. I'm enjoying the nice weather (it rained for the first time in 3 months). Oh, and there are no weekends for those that are married, only a life of ............................................, uh, never mind, here she comes.Icon_eek

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Are you in a drought like California?

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Serious drought here. Virtually no rain since early June. The water department has done an excellent job of managing our supply, but, like Cali, we depend on snow pack, which was 10% of normal this year. There are well established trees and shrubs throughout the city that are dying because of lack of water. I've never seen it like this before.

Here's an image from just on the other side of the Cascades at Lake Chelan. Fires, fires, fires. Dry lightning and 40 mph winds.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news...ashington/

[Image: WashingtonWildfiresCrop-780x482.jpg]

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(15-Aug-2015 13:34)Ralphbro wrote:  So, you're saying that when you where in the lab doing slump tests on concrete, you never looked down at yourself to compare?

You're on fire today, aren't you Ralph?

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Hi DaveIcon_biggrin

I think it's from all the energy from loosing one bowling ball of weight.

Mankins are lumps of cold, dead plastic. But that doesn't mean they don't turn me on.
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(15-Aug-2015 03:32)June Bug wrote:  Having "Martin" tattooed over my left boob would have been a mistake.

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(15-Aug-2015 14:05)Ralphbro wrote:  Serious drought here. Virtually no rain since early June.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news...ashington/

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can't be all bad there are still girls in bikinis running around, that's a good sign Icon_cool

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Mankins are lumps of cold, dead plastic. But that doesn't mean they don't turn me on.
With friends like these, who needs mankins? I do, that's who.
I love pinging my junk with a rubber band. Dr Snip taught me how.
I lead an underworld cult of mankin people.
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(15-Aug-2015 16:10)FJ Love wrote:  
quote:Having "Martin" tattooed over my left boob would have been a mistake.
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Don't let it go to your head, Martin. This is what was going on the other side:

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Someone must have been talking tatas, I felt like I needed to check in...




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(15-Aug-2015 20:27)DJ wrote:  Someone must have been talking tatas, I felt like I needed to check in...
Hi Stu!

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(15-Aug-2015 20:52)juice wrote:  
quote:Someone must have been talking tatas, I felt like I needed to check in...
Hi Stu!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkYNc6_ryzg

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Mankins are lumps of cold, dead plastic. But that doesn't mean they don't turn me on.
With friends like these, who needs mankins? I do, that's who.
I love pinging my junk with a rubber band. Dr Snip taught me how.
I lead an underworld cult of mankin people.
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So a friend of mine brought an A7RII to work today. That's a pretty impressive piece of work.

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Oh, I still don't have a tattoo.

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(19-Sep-2015 05:08)June Bug wrote:  So a friend of mine brought an A7RII to work today. That's a pretty impressive piece of work.
For sure. #mirrorlessFTW

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I've been quietly dabbling in the Sony system for several months now:

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Lenses in the photo, left to right, are the Sony/Zeiss 35mm f/2.8, Sony/Zeiss 55mm f/1.8, Voigtlander 75mm f/2.5 Color-Heliar (Leica screw mount), Voigtlander 90mm f/3.5 Apo-Lanthar (also Leica screw mount), Sony/Zeiss 16-35mm f/4, Tamron Adaptall 90mm f/2.8 macro, and Sony 70-200mm f/4.

This is the 77mm Color-Heliar on the A7II:

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The full frame A7II is about the same size as the X-T1:

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The latest generation of Alpha bodies is definitely impressive. Most of the major issues with the original A7 have been corrected in the A7II and several important functional enhancements have been introduced including in-body stabilization.

Image quality from the APS-C format A6000 and FF A7II is excellent even when using judiciously chosen non-native glass. This is a snap of Bobo with the A6000 and MF Voigtlander 90mm Apo-Lanthar:

[Image: Bobo_8x10_Resized_900x720.jpg]

100% crop:

[Image: Bobo_100pct_Crop_Eye.jpg]

Sony lenses vary from good to excellent. Quality is not as uniformly excellent as Fuji glass. Lens prices are, for the most part, too high. This is a real deterrent to jumping fully into the Alpha system. That and the obvious gaps in the lens range. Dunno why all mirrorless system manufacturers refuse to offer fast primes (or, any primes for that matter) longer than 90mm. Maybe a 135/2, 200/2.8, or 300/4 will show up on Sony's roadmap.

Regarding the lens lineup, the good (but pricey) news is that Zeiss is committed to the E mount. The 25mm and 85mm Batis lenses for Sony (AF) are, apparently, superb and are in very high demand. More Zeiss glass will be announced soon.

Sony ergonomics have improved dramatically in the gen. 2 bodies but still don't equal Fuji's. The X-T1 is, in my opinion, a much more user-friendly body to shoot with. I also prefer Fuji color.

Of the two Sony bodies I own, I'd say the A6000 is, truthfully, the more impressive. 24mp, tiny, 11 fps with AF, lightning quick AF in general, etc. The only let down is the EVF. For reasons known only to Sony, the A6000 was given a 1mp EVF rather than the stunning 2mp EVF of the prior generation. Go figure. An A6100 is loooooong overdue and should be announced within weeks. Maybe.

If pricing on the A7RII moderates next year, I may give that body a try.

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(19-Sep-2015 05:09)June Bug wrote:  Oh, I still don't have a tattoo.

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Hi Dave

Nice image of Bobo.

If you could have 3 systems with 2 lenses each, what would you go with in Sony, Fuji, Nikon.

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(19-Sep-2015 17:00)Tetrode wrote:  I've been quietly dabbling in the Sony system for several months now:

I love that this is "dabbling" for you. Can't wait to see what happens when you go "all in". Icon_smile

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(19-Sep-2015 18:57)Sheldon N wrote:  I love that this is "dabbling" for you

Says the man with a multi-thousand dollar arsenal and reload factory in his basement Icon_smile

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(19-Sep-2015 18:25)Ralphbro wrote:  If you could have 3 systems with 2 lenses each, what would you go with in Sony, Fuji, Nikon.

Interesting question, Ralph. Not being a Saudi prince or Kardashian, I doubt I would ever have three systems of similar capabilities again. However, a good case can still be made for maintaining both a DSLR and mirrorless system concurrently as their capabilities are complementary, not fully overlapping.

On the mirrorless front, if I were starting from scratch today, I would probably go with Sony rather than Fuji even though I actually prefer the Fuji bodies and lenses. The deciding factor (for me) is the availability of both APS-C and full frame bodies in the Sony sandbox. The attraction of FF (for me) has little to do with image quality and everything to do with compatibility with non-native mount lenses which perform at their marked FL on a FF body and don't suffer from the APS-C imposed 1.5x FOV adjustment. I like my 75mm and 90mm Voigtlander lenses better on the A7II than on the X-T1 or A6000.

Taking non-native mount lenses out of the equation and Fuji wins (though a higher resolution successor to the X-T1 would be much appreciated).

Here's another consideration: What if you're exclusively a mirrorless shooter and need a wide angle tilt/shift lens? A 24mm Samyang (or Nikon or Canon) adapted for use on a Fuji yields a not so wide 36mm equivalent. On the A7II (or A7RII) the required 24mm FOV is retained.

To get back to your original question: At the moment, I think the best option would be a dual Canon/Sony system with the A7RII being the Sony component. With a Metabones or Commlite adapter, better-than-acceptable AF performance is possible with many (but not all) Canon lenses on the A7RII body. Long lenses, T/S lenses and high frame rates (if needed) are available to Canon users but not Sony users. Sony, on the other hand, offers all of the mirrorless advantages and a reasonably comprehensive (and growing) lens range. If I were still a Canon user (and had the disposable income which I don't), I'd be tempted to add a Sony A7RII body, Metabones adapter, and the two Zeiss Batis lenses (25mm and 85mm). The Sony 55/1.8 and new 90mm macro are especially excellent and both would certainly be on my radar.

Note that there's a recently announced Nikon G to Sony E adapter that allows AF and aperture control. It's the first of its kind so that might be an inducement for those invested in the Nikon system to add a Sony body.

Interesting times for sure for the photo hobbyist or pro.

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(19-Sep-2015 20:18)Tetrode wrote:  I think the best option would be a dual Canon/Sony system
Exactly what a mate of mine in Perth is shooting for weddings. Great results.

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I'd lean towards a full Canon system, plus a Fuji system, plus a medium format camera, plus an 8x10 camera.

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That's not threeIcon_rolleyes

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It's threeish.

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(19-Sep-2015 21:55)Sheldon N wrote:  I'd lean towards a full Canon system, plus a Fuji system, plus a medium format camera, plus an 8x10 camera.

Plus a multi thousand dollar arsenal with a reloading factory in my basement. Icon_mrgreen

Chacun à son goût. N'est–ce pas?

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I have a lowbrow palate. Icon_smile

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(19-Sep-2015 20:18)Tetrode wrote:  I think the best option would be a dual Canon/Sony system
Coming to that same conclusion myself. That said, Dave is currently selling his A7S because he just isn't getting along with it. And I understand that too. The A7S just doesn't bring enough to the table for me to invest in Sony lenses. Not yet. (Canon lenses can easily be adapted, so that is a plus). Maybe the A7S II will be better. The ergonomics will still suck, but oh well...

Interestingly enough, one of my all-time non-DSLR favourites is still the Fuji X100. I am... kinda.... sorta... considering maybe upgrading to the X100T. Maybe. Still not sure. AF speed is not the most important thing (for me) with that camera, even though faster AF is always welcome. Just not sure if it's worth the extra cash. Icon_smile

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Hey, I didn't know Dave could ribbit like a frog.

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http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/201...ressed-raw
http://briansmith.com/sony-a7ii-firmware...selection/

This makes the a7ii look pretty nice for people with Canon lenses.

Mankins are lumps of cold, dead plastic. But that doesn't mean they don't turn me on.
With friends like these, who needs mankins? I do, that's who.
I love pinging my junk with a rubber band. Dr Snip taught me how.
I lead an underworld cult of mankin people.
WTFWJD?

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(08-Nov-2015 11:48)Ralphbro wrote:  This makes the a7ii look pretty nice for people with Canon lenses.
A mate of mine in Perth is a shooter for a major paper, and he regularly uses the A7RII with his old Canon lenses.

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What adapter is he using and how does he think the adated system will physically hold up?

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Metabones, IIRC, and I'm pretty sure I do.

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The Metabones adapters are very highly regarded in the Sony user community but there are limitations, even with the A7RII. Review the product page:

http://www.metabones.com/products/details/MB-EF-E-BT4

Brian Smith (Sony shill) tested most Canon lenses on the latest Metabones T adapter:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7rii-canon-e...ter-tests/

Disappointingly, the 400/5.6L and 300/4L AF very slowly Icon_sad

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(08-Nov-2015 21:15)Tetrode wrote:  Disappointingly, the 400/5.6L and 300/4L AF very slowly Icon_sad
It looks like a lot if the old style glass has issues.

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With friends like these, who needs mankins? I do, that's who.
I love pinging my junk with a rubber band. Dr Snip taught me how.
I lead an underworld cult of mankin people.
WTFWJD?

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(08-Nov-2015 21:18)Ralphbro wrote:  It looks like a lot if the old style glass has issues.


"Only Canon-branded lenses introduced in or after 2006 are officially supported"

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(08-Nov-2015 21:18)Ralphbro wrote:  It looks like a lot if the old style glass has issues.

Ralph are you after a third system to go with all your lighting before shooting Lenin ? Icon_cheesygrin

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Hi Martin
I've got a ton of Canon lenses, it would be nice to have another 35mm body option in the event that Canon doesn't get into the modern world.

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With friends like these, who needs mankins? I do, that's who.
I love pinging my junk with a rubber band. Dr Snip taught me how.
I lead an underworld cult of mankin people.
WTFWJD?

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(09-Nov-2015 00:15)Ralphbro wrote:  in the event that Canon doesn't get into the modern world.
*because Canon won't

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It'd be kinda cool to have IBIS, it would make using the 135L real nice, though I can't find anywhere to get an idea of how many stops of stabilization the Sony IBIS has.

Mankins are lumps of cold, dead plastic. But that doesn't mean they don't turn me on.
With friends like these, who needs mankins? I do, that's who.
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I lead an underworld cult of mankin people.
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Nice video. Great dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QRS6PijYsc

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I see South Africa's top X-Photographer just jumped ship to Sony.

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(26-Nov-2015 22:26)juice wrote:  I see South Africa's top X-Photographer just jumped ship to Sony.

Name, Mic?

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(26-Nov-2015 22:35)Tetrode wrote:  Name, Mic?
JC Crafford. He announced it on FB yesterday.

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(27-Nov-2015 00:25)juice wrote:  JC Crafford. He announced it on FB yesterday.

Found it. Wonder what he hopes to gain by switching to Sony. True, he'll have 42mp rather than 16mp but he'll be losing out on Fuji's superior lens line. I suppose he could be eyeing the Zeiss Batis lenses (25mm and 85mm) which are both outstanding and nearly impossible to get. The manual focus Zeiss Loxias for Sony are also superb as are the Sony/Zeiss 55/1.8 and Sony 90mm "G" Macro.

Is Mr. Crafford primarily a wedding photographer?

I demand a second opinion! According to that STUPID test I'm 50% hipster.
27-Nov-2015 01:46
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(27-Nov-2015 01:46)Tetrode wrote:  Is Mr. Crafford primarily a wedding photographer?
Mostly, yeah, so the AF must have been a huge drawcard. But also the bigger sensor, I suspect.

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